When you want it, sure, accept them, but accepting everything by default even if you don't want to have them?
3:14 PM
you wouldn't (shouldn't) have a kid every time you have sex. I know the analogy isn't perfect but it's good enough
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I think the problem lies also with the assumption that once you accept new headmate, it's your headmate forever. That you need to commit to having them for the rest of your life.
I think you are assuming that everyone has control over the system and beliefs that you have. I'm looking at it through a lens of people that have problems with dissipating tulpas or lose control over them(edited)
3:14 PM
I used to have temporary headmates. Like, got attached to certain character and after some time lost interest and they have been gone after a few weeks. And I feel it's been okay for me.
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I think you are assuming that everyone has control over the system and beliefs that you have. I'm looking at it through a lens of people that have problems with dissipating tulpas or lose control over them (edited)
On this note I think there's a somewhat insidious idea in many old guides that tulpas can actually even... fade when not properly "maintained". I think this lends people the idea ultimately tuppers once accepted need your support in order to continue to exist. I've experienced the effect of this because I initially had the belief, but now that I don't, I don't experience any sort of loss of fidelity after a time doing my own thing.
And all of this makes it feel abusive if you're not properly giving them some sort of arbitrary time.
3:21 PM
Whether the mind lets go of an identity is based on belief and desire in the same way as making one. It has nothing to do with time.
Do you guyes have soms tips on how to steer a tulpa in the right deraction bc i have the feeling jack is starring to get a bit more grumpy instead of his happyness
Yeah, I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but... yeah
3:24 PM
we made this channel for this reason, so if someone has a question while a different question is being answered it can go here
3:25 PM
otherwise it just disrupts the flow of the conversation
3:25 PM
like it did twice now
Zen
On this note I think there's a somewhat insidious idea in many old guides that tulpas can actually even... fade when not properly "maintained". I think this lends people the idea ultimately tuppers once accepted need your support in order to continue to exist. I've experienced the effect of this because I initially had the belief, but now that I don't, I don't experience any sort of loss of fidelity after a time doing my own thing.
And all of this makes it feel abusive if you're not properly giving them some sort of arbitrary time.
I used to have temporary headmates. Like, got attached to certain character and after some time lost interest and they have been gone after a few weeks. And I feel it's been okay for me.
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I mean, that sounds like more of a character or imaginary friend type thing. Why call them headmates? They don't have their own drive to stick around?
wrt your question, it's possible that your tulpas grumpiness is bleed through from you if you're still feeling grumpy about your leg injury @night demon (scaly system)
Oh mm mm diddent know that well that would explain a lot
Yuka
I used to have temporary headmates. Like, got attached to certain character and after some time lost interest and they have been gone after a few weeks. And I feel it's been okay for me.
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I mean, that sounds like more of a character or imaginary friend type thing. Why call them headmates? They don't have their own drive to stick around?
Well he is already dormant during the day only before bed time he comes along and aske how in doing idk if thats him diseding this or just mmybain not able to let jack be with me bc its working on the recovery of the body
I'd rather say that tulpas and imaginary friends are sets that intersect. Imaginary friends that are just pretended by child don't qualify as tulpas and tulpas that are mostly switching might hardly be imaginary friends anymore. But tulpas which are mostly interacting with their hosts, in my point of view qualify for both terms the same.
Automation is irrelevant for the classification I'd say. The thing that defines a tulpa is whether the host believes they're real rather than imaginary and therefore the brain is experientially going to fill in gaps flesh out the identity.
Do you think your tulpas are actively less real than you? I definitely don't think that, but I do think all identities are somewhat fakery. When it comes to causing the sense of realness to happen I absolutely do think it's mandatory to buy in to the phenomena.
The way I'd put it is that we can look at someone with a metaphysical outlook who thinks they've got a spirit watching over them or something vs someone who has a literary thoughtform who they do not think is real. We can clearly see that the former does have stronger and "realer" experiences caused by suggestion. And that to me is the root of tulpamancy.(edited)
4:40 PM
The thoughtforms themselves might be equally developed as actual personalities with equivalent levels of automation.(edited)
4:40 PM
But the experience is radically different.
4:41 PM
The dissociation from them we apply to personalities by default is presumed to be still in effect
Hello I have some interest in tulpas, though I lost some interest after learning ''parallel processing'' was rare and/or disputed. I have a question about the mind's capabilities when it has a tulpa. Someone called August Kekulé discovered the shape of the benzene molecule by dreaming.
"I was sitting writing at my textbook but the work did not progress; my thoughts were elsewhere. I turned my chair to the fire and dozed. Again the atoms were gambolling before my eyes. This time the smaller groups kept modestly in the background. My mental eye, rendered more acute by the repeated visions of the kind, could now distinguish larger structures of manifold confirmation: long rows, sometimes more closely fitted together all twining and twisting in snake like motion. But look! What was that? One of the snakes had seized hold of its own tail, and the form whirled mockingly before my eyes. As if by a flash of lightning I awoke; and this time also I spent the rest of the night in working out the rest of the hypothesis. Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, then perhaps we shall find the truth... But let us beware of publishing our dreams till they have been tested by waking understanding. "
Do people that have one personality in ''wonderland'' with another fronting have better creativity by having the ''wonderland'' dream up various things?
Parallel processing is most likely an illusion. You can switch your focus on two different tasks fast and have a feeling you are able to do two things automatically. You can also develop some automated habits like it's certainly possible to walk and think simultaneously. But it's unlikely that you are able to have two full separate lives, one in "wonderland" and one IRL. There are a few more likely explanations of what people actually experience while they claim both tulpa in WL and host IRL are active and have parallel lives.
If I remember correctly it was a state between being awake and dreaming that Tesla was also a fan of
8:52 PM
That state is very good for diffused thinking, but anon since I remember the conversation you had in metaphysics, pls appreciate that both in Kekule’s and Tesla’s case, the eureka moments had a foundationlot of experience they got in their areas of study, and the ideas they got, they could later confirm them in experiments. You can’t just accept any eureka moments that pops up like that
I had just been reading something about creativity
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/05/negative-creativity/
and maybe if dreaming or day-dreaming could be a source of creativity, and it's possible to have one personality (maybe there's a better word than personality if you can change personality without having to do full tulpa-switching. Oh headmate, maybe that will do.), and it's possible to have one headmate in imaginary land and another headmate doing things usually, then that could be a time-efficient way of being creative. Or maybe even better for creativity? I don't know, I have not made a tulpa.
I've had a number of conversations in the metaphysics section so the conversation you referred to could have been one of a number. Yes I agree that any and all epiphanies should be put to rationality.
[Epistemic status: it is late and I am tired and I wanted to get a blog post out. No guarantees of quality.] It is said that one of the highest-level and most awe-inspiring of rationalist skills is…
If the tulpa is not really dreaming in parallel and the memories are put together on tulpa retrieval (it would be interesting to do brain scans on people with tulpas) then probably that might mean lesser capability to be had from it. Maybe the tulpa could try to dream about molecules and try to get some good ideas, more chaotic ideas than with ordinary thought.
If the tulpa is not really dreaming in parallel and the memories are put together on tulpa retrieval
It's only one of possible explanation. I'd say that the one most appealing to me is that there usually is only expectation, no memories are formed unless your curiosity combined with wanting to be consistent makes you confabulate something.
9:23 PM
more chaotic ideas than with ordinary thought
Why is the tulpa always expected to be better equipped than host in that kind of theorycrafting?
I do not know why it is and I did not know it was.
It could be the original wonderland-switched and the tulpa controlling the body, either way should work, if it would actually work.(edited)
9:27 PM
Actually this has me thinking. How many tulpa systems actually have wonderland switching? Is it another rare thing to report?
I remember I had been meaning to recover my mind's eye ability and improve it more to be able to have a wonderland or mind palace type thing but I forgot to keep at it :c sadge
9:31 PM
Oh actually I remember one person said that a few minutes of tulpa in wonderland got hours of memories, that was on the forum.
From my experience, headmates can have access to unrestricted child-like creativity that I lost access to a long time ago due to certain events that the headmate was dissociated from.
After integration, I have access to it now myself, but I would say it’s much easier to consider those topics in terms of a singlet rather than plurality(edited)
Apropos child-like tulpas, I'd say that for me it's easier to embrace more child-like behavior while being a certain tulpa. Like, for me things like giving everyone hugs and headpats while representing myself just don't feel right. I am expected (currently just by myself?) to act in certain way and suppress parts of myself that doesn't fit it. But having a tulpa mask, I can suppress those expectations instead. And eventually, learn to have something from it while being just myself too.
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From my experience, headmates can have access to unrestricted child-like creativity that I lost access to a long time ago due to certain events that the headmate was dissociated from.
After integration, I have access to it now myself, but I would say it’s much easier to consider those topics in terms of a singlet rather than plurality (edited)
Unless you generally mean the... "openness to experience" that Mon seems to describe? That certain innocence towards the things that cause people anxiety.
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